X Factor host Dermot O'Leary doesn't think reality shows will ever go away.
Which is surely good news for the former Big Brother host turned X Factor compere.
Speaking at the National Television Awards last week, Dermot said: "I don't think those shows are ever going to be exhausted.
"They'll change in different ways and might be rested.
"That's a genre that has lasted in television for 40 years. It tells you something."
And after X Factor lost out to Strictly Come Dancing for the first time in five years at the NTAs this month, Dermot reckons the ITV series is now the underdog.
He sad: "I think the public love an underdog and that's the thing. Some years we win, some years Strictly wins. Personally I think that's really healthy for television."
Meanwhile, Strictly co host Tess Daly wasn't gloating about the win, and reckoned it was just down to their new judge Darcey!
She said: "The standard of dancing was higher than ever before, from the off, really. And Darcey [Bussell] joined us - she's our lucky charm, I think!"